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France elects JEW to kick out the muslim scum ..
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I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
2007-05-06 23:18:24 UTC
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Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father. Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
called himself a friend of Israel in good times and in bad.

SARKOZY'S VICTORY MESSAGE TO AMERICA: 'YOU CAN COUNT ON FRANCE AS A FRIEND'

Landslide for Pro-American Candiate

About muslims ...

"If some people are bothered by France, they shouldn't hesitate to leave a
country they don't love," Sarkozy said last weekend, echoing a slogan of
Jean- Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigrant leader of the far-right National
Front: "France, love it or leave it."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/france.php

Muslim men who enslave their women according to Quran to be deported ...
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4608108.stm


Speeding up the deportation of muslim trash ...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=486
2Penny
2007-05-07 00:29:25 UTC
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Mr "I wipe my ASS on Muhammed's FACE!;

It's a bit tough, but tough is what we(non-Muslims) need right
now. Other than that, I'm as surprised as I can be that France,
or any Frech govenment official, has grown a spine. This is
good news; now maybe our govennment will do something similar
with our illegal aliens, our pourous borders and give our mosks
(and screwy churches) back to the BATF(Waco - 1993). If they'll
do it to our own (with only Constitutionally slippery support),
why would our government treat foreign religious groups (with
the clear intent of supplanting our Constitutional government)
any differently?

I can agree with Mr Clinton only here, in hindsight, other than
that, we elected a 'silver tongued' used car salesman to the
presidency. - Watch out whenever he's near, he's good at
selling ice cubes to Eskimos (Adoph Hitler had similar [audible]
powers of persuasion, but in written form [and translated]
they're not nearly as good as others have described them).

2Penny
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father. Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
called himself a friend of Israel in good times and in bad.
SARKOZY'S VICTORY MESSAGE TO AMERICA: 'YOU CAN COUNT ON FRANCE AS A FRIEND'
Landslide for Pro-American Candiate
About muslims ...
"If some people are bothered by France, they shouldn't hesitate to leave a
country they don't love," Sarkozy said last weekend, echoing a slogan of
Jean- Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigrant leader of the far-right National
Front: "France, love it or leave it."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/france.php
Muslim men who enslave their women according to Quran to be deported ...
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4608108.stm
Speeding up the deportation of muslim trash ...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=486
red
2007-05-07 00:40:53 UTC
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Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father. Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
called himself a friend of Israel in good times and in bad.
SARKOZY'S VICTORY MESSAGE TO AMERICA: 'YOU CAN COUNT ON FRANCE AS A FRIEND'
Landslide for Pro-American Candiate
About muslims ...
"If some people are bothered by France, they shouldn't hesitate to leave a
country they don't love," Sarkozy said last weekend, echoing a slogan of
Jean- Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigrant leader of the far-right National
Front: "France, love it or leave it."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/france.php
Muslim men who enslave their women according to Quran to be deported ...http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4608108.stm
Speeding up the deportation of muslim trash ...http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=486
Thank God for his election. It shows the French people will stand up
to these brutal thugs that destroy private property without regard to
others. I didn't know he was Jewish. All the more reason to see him
succeed.
Gary Rumain
2007-05-08 01:16:56 UTC
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Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father. Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
called himself a friend of Israel in good times and in bad.
SARKOZY'S VICTORY MESSAGE TO AMERICA: 'YOU CAN COUNT ON FRANCE AS A FRIEND'
Landslide for Pro-American Candiate
About muslims ...
"If some people are bothered by France, they shouldn't hesitate to leave a
country they don't love," Sarkozy said last weekend, echoing a slogan of
Jean- Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigrant leader of the far-right National
Front: "France, love it or leave it."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/france.php
Muslim men who enslave their women according to Quran to be deported ...
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4608108.stm
Speeding up the deportation of muslim trash ...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=486
Deport the dirty shitskin mohammadans back to dunecoon lands


Gary the mighty Yaako warrior.
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-07 10:52:34 UTC
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Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father. Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
a Jewish father is not enough to make Sakozy a Jew, perhaps it can
only help him to be a doenmeh;->RO(T/F)L
gogu
2007-05-07 12:45:43 UTC
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Post by Gary Rumain
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Sarko, as his supporters call him, has openly and repeatedly
Post by Gary Rumain
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
called himself a friend of Israel in good times and in bad.
SARKOZY'S VICTORY MESSAGE TO AMERICA: 'YOU CAN COUNT ON FRANCE AS A FRIEND'
Landslide for Pro-American Candiate
About muslims ...
"If some people are bothered by France, they shouldn't hesitate to leave a
country they don't love," Sarkozy said last weekend, echoing a slogan of
Jean- Marie Le Pen, the anti-immigrant leader of the far-right National
Front: "France, love it or leave it."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/france.php
Muslim men who enslave their women according to Quran to be deported ...
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4608108.stm
Speeding up the deportation of muslim trash ...
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=486
Deport the dirty shitskin mohammadans back to dunecoon lands
Gary the mighty Yaako warrior.
Gary Rumain
2007-05-08 04:37:56 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother had a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
Viva Sarkozy!

Gary the mighty Yaako warrior.
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2007-05-07 13:47:06 UTC
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J***@gmail.com
2007-05-07 16:20:28 UTC
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If Sarkozy actually has some Jewish descent, all the sweeter :)
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-07 18:29:05 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.

Susan
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-07 18:38:57 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
exactly...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Susan
Benyamin Cramer
2007-05-08 07:05:47 UTC
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Post by Grand Sen~or
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
exactly...
But he's still infested with yid DNA, dopey. You can see it in his shifty
eyes and rodent like features.
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-11 20:54:26 UTC
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Post by Benyamin Cramer
Post by Grand Sen~or
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
exactly...
But he's still infested with yid DNA, dopey. You can see it in his shifty
eyes and rodent like features.
Jews don't decide whether some one is Jew acording to their DNA - not
yet anyway;->
Dr. Lippschitz
2007-05-13 09:09:05 UTC
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Post by Grand Sen~or
Post by Benyamin Cramer
Post by Grand Sen~or
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
exactly...
But he's still infested with yid DNA, dopey. You can see it in his shifty
eyes and rodent like features.
Jews don't decide whether some one is Jew acording to their DNA - not
yet anyway;->
sure we do, one drop of Khazar blood and we consider you a yid
The Revd
2007-05-07 18:45:11 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
That makes him a quarter jewish, then.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish (sic), his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish (sic).
Suzy
You 'converted' and you're still not jewish, you th*ck Irish cunt.
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-07 19:27:12 UTC
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In France
Muslims stay
Jews stay
Christians stay
Secularists stay
Secularo-fascists GO!

secularist laws to secularists
muslim laws to muslims
jewish laws to jews
christian laws to christians

secularo-fascists DO NOT have God given right to make laws and impose
it to all SPEEs.
secularo-fascist tyranny's end at hand!
J***@gmail.com
2007-05-07 23:30:05 UTC
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Post by Grand Sen~or
In France
Muslims stay
Jews stay
Christians stay
Secularists stay
Secularo-fascists GO!
secularist laws to secularists
muslim laws to muslims
jewish laws to jews
christian laws to christians
secularo-fascists DO NOT have God given right to make laws and impose
it to all SPEEs.
secularo-fascist tyranny's end at hand!
I think you don't grasp the way in which law is based on the sovereign
state, rather than the ethnic community, in the Western world. So you
Muslim johnnies may try to live under your "Muslim laws" -- and we'll
put your "judges" in prison like the common criminals they are.

And just think -- they'll be in durance vile at the hands of a man
you'd think of as a JEW ...

... la vie est douce :)

- Jordan
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-08 07:47:38 UTC
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Post by J***@gmail.com
Post by Grand Sen~or
In France
Muslims stay
Jews stay
Christians stay
Secularists stay
Secularo-fascists GO!
secularist laws to secularists
muslim laws to muslims
jewish laws to jews
christian laws to christians
secularo-fascists DO NOT have God given right to make laws and impose
it to all SPEEs.
secularo-fascist tyranny's end at hand!
I think you don't grasp the way in which law is based on the sovereign
state, rather than the ethnic community, in the Western world. So you
Muslim johnnies may try to live under your "Muslim laws" -- and we'll
put your "judges" in prison like the common criminals they are.
that's what I say and you confirm.
I don't claim that SPEEs have their rights to make laws and implement
their laws to their members. What I calim is secularo-fascists have
all the rights to make laws and impose thame to all SPEEs by denying
SPEEs rights to make laws. This is of course an open tyranny on SPEEs
by pseudo structure I call secularo-fascizm.
Thank you for your confirming what I said.
Post by J***@gmail.com
And just think -- they'll be in durance vile at the hands of a man
you'd think of as a JEW ...
... la vie est douce :)
- Jordan
Grand Sen~or
2007-05-08 08:11:56 UTC
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Post by J***@gmail.com
Post by Grand Sen~or
In France
Muslims stay
Jews stay
Christians stay
Secularists stay
Secularo-fascists GO!
secularist laws to secularists
muslim laws to muslims
jewish laws to jews
christian laws to christians
secularo-fascists DO NOT have God given right to make laws and impose
it to all SPEEs.
secularo-fascist tyranny's end at hand!
I think you don't grasp the way in which law is based on the sovereign
state, rather than the ethnic community, in the Western world. So you
sovereign according to what?
I _do_ understand how secularo-fascists tyrannaize all SPEEs by their
single law, single culture, single leadership monolithic tyrannical
system.
They assume that they have an exclusive right to make laws upon all
SPEE and they also assume that they ahve the right to impose their
laws to all SPEEs.
Post by J***@gmail.com
Muslim johnnies may try to live under your "Muslim laws" -- and we'll
put your "judges" in prison like the common criminals they are.
but for how long, muslims are just one out of hundreds of SPEEs that
tyrannized under secularo-fascist persecutions which means you will
need a lot of prisons to lock up judges of human kind. And after
sometime the table will turn and they will come together to lock up
secularo-fascist judges into the prisons they sponsored to be built.
That sort of thing happened in the past of Human Cultural History and
it will happen again - they call it Revolution.

The Revolution will be realized for SPEEs to regain their right to
make their own laws and implement them to their members.
The Revolution will be realized to deny the tyranny of secularo-
fascists making laws exclusively and imposing them to SPEEs.
The Revolution will be realized to declare secularo-fascism enemy
number one of humankind with their monolithic practices to reduce
humankind to singularity by assimilating all SPEEs to naught,
destroying the multiplicity of SPEEs.
Post by J***@gmail.com
And just think -- they'll be in durance vile at the hands of a man
you'd think of as a JEW ...
are you trying to mimic a face to scare me;->
wait till you see the face of the Revolution;->RO(T/F)L
Post by J***@gmail.com
... la vie est douce :)
I am sure old ladies are knitting this to their handywork;->RO(T/F)L
Post by J***@gmail.com
- Jordan
gogu
2007-05-11 19:50:22 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%), wouldn't you be proud that he is a Jew, even if
partially?...
Wouldn't you call him a Jew?...
So for once let's stop hiding behind conventions and face the truth: his
blood is in the same percentage Jewish (25%) with the blood with someone
with a
Jewish grandmother.
The rest is religious conventions and beliefs.

regards to all

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
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Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-13 04:50:49 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
Post by gogu
wouldn't you be proud that he is a Jew,
No, because he isn't.
But I would probably make a big fake deal about it where
bigots are concerned, because it would irritate them to
have their racial theories backfire so solidly on them. :-)
Post by gogu
even if
partially?...
(See above)
Post by gogu
Wouldn't you call him a Jew?...
Of course not - except maybe to annoy the bigots, who
keep pretending Judaism goes the way you described.
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
Post by gogu
his
blood is in the same percentage Jewish (25%) with the blood with someone
with a
Jewish grandmother.
And here's where you are mistake again.
If his maternal grandmother is Jewish, then his mother is Jewish
& then he is Jewish. Any other grandparents: nothing.
Post by gogu
The rest is religious conventions and beliefs.
The rest is all that counts.

Susan
Benyamin Cramer
2007-05-13 05:12:01 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
You're certainly not a yid, cohen, however you're still dyslexic, as the
above proves.
RJ
2007-05-13 05:14:04 UTC
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In article <-***@giganews.com>,
Benyamin Cramer <***@home.nixpeace.cam> wrote:

(snip some drivel)

"Ben Cramer" admits that he's a troll:

"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID: <dv0e2v$l5a$***@otis.netspace.net.au>.

RJ.
DoD
2007-05-13 05:24:35 UTC
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Post by RJ
(snip some drivel)
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- "Ben Cramer",
Yep.
JBgarbuz
2007-05-13 19:53:46 UTC
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Post by gogu
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Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
You're certainly not a yid, cohen, however you're still dyslexic, as the
above proves.<
She is actually as much, if not more a yid than me, and I'll tell you why.
She CHOSE to become a Jew
in the face of all logic and reason. And if her conversion was by a valid
orthodox rabbi, that means she was dissuaded from doing so all along the
line. In the face of rejection, and with nothing to gain, I presume, she
chose it of her own free will! I was born into it. I had no choice. I had no
escape. My mother sent me to elementary yeshiva against my desires. Being a
Jew brought me no pleasure and only
misery. But Suzie CHOSE IT knowing that there was no upside to it. She even
has to deal with scum like you as a result. Maybe if she were smarter, more
logical and more reasoned in her thinking, she would not have made this
choice. But clearly, Suzie is none of the above, but instead has a firm
character and a good heart. And so if more born Jews had her faith and
heart, it might be better than all of their logic and reason combined.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
The Revd
2007-05-14 05:35:03 UTC
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Post by Benyamin Cramer
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Post by gogu
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Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
You're certainly not a yid, cohen, however you're still dyslexic, as the
above proves.<
She is actually as much, if not more a yid than me, and I'll tell you why.
She CHOSE to become a Jew
Don't be absurd. You can no more "choose" to be a jew than you can
"choose" to be a schvartze.
Post by JBgarbuz
in the face of all logic and reason.
And also in the face of the universally accepted laws of heredity.
Not to mention overriding DNA evidence.
Post by JBgarbuz
And if her conversion was by a valid
orthodox rabbi, that means she was dissuaded from doing so all along the
line.
They told her she couldn't change race and yet she *still* paid
$10k??????

In the face of rejection, and with nothing to gain, I presume, she
Post by JBgarbuz
chose it of her own free will! I was born into it. I had no choice. I had no
escape.
There is no entry and there is no escape. Once a jew always a jew.
And once a shitske always a shitske.

My mother sent me to elementary yeshiva against my desires. Being a
Post by JBgarbuz
Jew brought me no pleasure and only
misery. ButSuzieCHOSE IT knowing that there was no upside to it.
We don't refer to her as a "th*ck Irish cunt" for no reason.

She even
Post by JBgarbuz
has to deal with scum like you as a result.
She has to deal with people like us for pretending to be something
she's not and for being a race traitor.
Post by JBgarbuz
Maybe if she were smarter, more
logical and more reasoned in her thinking,
...she'd realise that changing race is an impossibility.
Post by JBgarbuz
she would not have made this
choice. But clearly,Suzieis none of the above, but instead has a firm
character and a good heart. And so if more born Jews had her faith and
heart, it might be better than all of their logic and reason combined.
Suzy (th*ck Irish cunt that she is) merely follows the jew religion.
If you 'converted' to animism that wouldn't make you a schvartze
either.
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-14 06:36:56 UTC
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Post by Benyamin Cramer
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
You're certainly not a yid, cohen, however you're still dyslexic, as the
above proves.<
She is actually as much, if not more a yid than me, and I'll tell you why.
She CHOSE to become a Jew
in the face of all logic and reason. And if her conversion was by a valid
orthodox rabbi, that means she was dissuaded from doing so all along the
line. In the face of rejection, and with nothing to gain, I presume, she
chose it of her own free will! I was born into it. I had no choice. I had no
escape. My mother sent me to elementary yeshiva against my desires. Being a
Jew brought me no pleasure and only
misery. But Suzie CHOSE IT knowing that there was no upside to it. She even
has to deal with scum like you as a result. Maybe if she were smarter, more
logical and more reasoned in her thinking, she would not have made this
choice. But clearly, Suzie is none of the above, but instead has a firm
character and a good heart. And so if more born Jews had her faith and
heart, it might be better than all of their logic and reason combined.
Thank you, Jake. The bgots will *still* refer to me as a shikse & a
thick Irish c*nt, tho'.

Susan
gogu
2007-05-15 20:24:07 UTC
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Post by JBgarbuz
I was born into it. I had no choice. I had no
escape. My mother sent me to elementary yeshiva against my desires. Being a
Jew brought me no pleasure and only
misery.
I am sorry to hear that.

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Benyamin Cramer
2007-05-13 05:12:33 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
It's almost like being pegnant, except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
Post by gogu
wouldn't you be proud that he is a Jew,
No, because he isn't.
But I would probably make a big fake deal about it where
bigots are concerned, because it would irritate them to
have their racial theories backfire so solidly on them. :-)
Post by gogu
even if
partially?...
(See above)
Post by gogu
Wouldn't you call him a Jew?...
Of course not - except maybe to annoy the bigots, who
keep pretending Judaism goes the way you described.
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
Nope. DNA proves that, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt.
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-13 12:01:43 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an adopted son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
The bgot knows this is a lie. One jew grandparent = 25% jewish, two
jew grandparents - 50% jewish etc.
Post by f***@verizon.net
It's almost like being pegnant (sic), except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
It's nothing like being pregnant, bgot. Being jewish is defined by
jew DNA. There's nothing spiritual about jew DNA.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
wouldn't you be proud that he is a Jew,
No, because he isn't.
But I would probably make a big fake deal about it where
bigots are concerned, because it would irritate them to
have their racial theories backfire so solidly on them. :-)
The lying forger *wishes* it were so.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
even if
partially?...
(See above)
Post by gogu
Wouldn't you call him a Jew?...
Of course not - except maybe to annoy the bigots, who
keep pretending Judaism (sic) goes the way you described.
The bgot is confusing the jew religion w/being jewish. AGAIN.
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish(sic) law & nothing else determines who is a Jew (sic).
Except that jewish law has no bearing on DNA.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
his
blood is in the same percentage Jewish (25%) with the blood with someone
with a
Jewish grandmother.
And here's where you are mistake again.
If his maternal grandmother is Jewish, then his mother is Jewish
& then he is Jewish. Any other grandparents: nothing.
This goes against every known law of heredity and is obviously false.
Being jewish is just like being Italian or Irish. It's
DNA-determined.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
The rest is religious conventions and beliefs.
The rest is all that counts.
The rest is irrelevant, bgot.
Post by f***@verizon.net
NOT Susan
Susan
"swampfox1776" <@houston.rr.com>
2007-05-13 13:38:41 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE!
Sarkozy, whose father is Hungarian, has been something of an
adopted
son
here (especially in Netanya) due to his Jewish background: His mother
had
a
Jewish father.
His grandfather was a Greek Jew from Thessaloniki.
And since his mother's mother was not Jewish, his mother was not
Jewish & he did not convert, thus he is not Jewish.
That's according the (religious) law.
But please tell me, if someone who wins, say a Nobel prize is as
Jewish as Sarkozy (25%),
No, he is not Jewish, and there is no such thing as "25% Jewish.
The bgot knows this is a lie. One jew grandparent = 25% jewish, two
jew grandparents - 50% jewish etc.
Post by f***@verizon.net
It's almost like being pegnant (sic), except that it is a spirtual, not
physical, state.
It's nothing like being pregnant, bgot. Being jewish is defined by
jew DNA. There's nothing spiritual about jew DNA.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
wouldn't you be proud that he is a Jew,
No, because he isn't.
But I would probably make a big fake deal about it where
bigots are concerned, because it would irritate them to
have their racial theories backfire so solidly on them. :-)
The lying forger *wishes* it were so.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
even if
partially?...
(See above)
Post by gogu
Wouldn't you call him a Jew?...
Of course not - except maybe to annoy the bigots, who
keep pretending Judaism (sic) goes the way you described.
The bgot is confusing the jew religion w/being jewish. AGAIN.
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish(sic) law & nothing else determines who is a Jew (sic).
Except that jewish law has no bearing on DNA.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
his
blood is in the same percentage Jewish (25%) with the blood with someone
with a
Jewish grandmother.
And here's where you are mistake again.
If his maternal grandmother is Jewish, then his mother is Jewish
& then he is Jewish. Any other grandparents: nothing.
This goes against every known law of heredity and is obviously false.
Being jewish is just like being Italian or Irish. It's
DNA-determined.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
The rest is religious conventions and beliefs.
The rest is all that counts.
The rest is irrelevant, bgot.
Post by f***@verizon.net
NOT Susan
Susan
"swampfox1776" <@houston.rr.com>
2007-05-13 13:40:13 UTC
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This goes against every known law of heredity and is obviously false.
Being jewish is just like being Italian or Irish. It's
DNA-determined.


And a Jews DNA is that of the ebola virus.
gogu
2007-05-15 20:06:17 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
The rest is -as I said before- *religious conventions* and beliefs.
Of course everybody is free to believe/follow whatever he wants, religion or
science...

G.O.L

PS
His family history is quite interesting, you should read it!
http://ejpress.org/article/16491
BTW his grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that?...
--
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
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f***@verizon.net
2007-05-15 22:10:23 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew, the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish DNA", you obviously agree with me.

Susan
The Revd
2007-05-16 05:45:47 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Suzy
Daniel Bernard
2007-05-16 06:41:32 UTC
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Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
--
amicalement,

Daniel
The Revd
2007-05-16 07:18:17 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
You can't get any more objective than that!

It takes a rare talent to spot jew DNA without taking swab samples and
testing them!
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
It's highly likely! It's also why 'Lord' Levy doesn't look anything
like Gordon Brown.
Daniel Bernard
2007-05-16 12:15:38 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
You can't get any more objective than that!
You bet and I bet his judgment superceded Jewish laws.
Post by The Revd
It takes a rare talent to spot jew DNA without taking swab samples and
testing them!
It certainly helped Goering when it came to pilfering works of art and
businesses from the Jews in Germany.
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
It's highly likely! It's also why 'Lord' Levy doesn't look anything
like Gordon Brown.
But does bear a passing resemblance to David Dein...........
--
amicalement,

Daniel
The Revd
2007-05-16 13:19:48 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
You can't get any more objective than that!
You bet and I bet his judgment superceded Jewish laws.
Absolutely. So called jewish laws are archaic and obsolete.
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
It takes a rare talent to spot jew DNA without taking swab samples and
testing them!
It certainly helped Goering when it came to pilfering works of art and
businesses from the Jews in Germany.
At least it eliminated the possibility of innocent Germans being
targeted!
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
It's highly likely! It's also why 'Lord' Levy doesn't look anything
like Gordon Brown.
But does bear a passing resemblance to David Dein...........
Picking him as the Middle East envoy made as little sense as the
Americans sending their jews (Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright)
there.
Daniel Bernard
2007-05-18 10:47:10 UTC
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Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
You can't get any more objective than that!
You bet and I bet his judgment superceded Jewish laws.
Absolutely. So called jewish laws are archaic and obsolete.
It certainly didn't cut the mustard with the Germans, especially after
Heydrich did away with the Nuremberg Laws at the Wannsee conference.
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
It takes a rare talent to spot jew DNA without taking swab samples and
testing them!
It certainly helped Goering when it came to pilfering works of art and
businesses from the Jews in Germany.
At least it eliminated the possibility of innocent Germans being
targeted!
Innocent Germans? Now there is an oxymoron if ever I read one.
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
It's highly likely! It's also why 'Lord' Levy doesn't look anything
like Gordon Brown.
But does bear a passing resemblance to David Dein...........
Picking him as the Middle East envoy made as little sense as the
Americans sending their jews (Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright)
there.
I remember some bloke from the CBI saying the same thing on the Beeb
one Sunday morning. His argument was that Levy's presence was hurtful
to British trade interests with the Arabs.

FFS but didn't people realise that Levy's son used to work for Ehud
Barak and Yossi Beilin? How can anyone expect Levy to be impartial?
Why the hell does the FCO bother keeping trained diplomatic staff when
Blair appointed a low-rent accountant for such an important role.

The Saudis and the Jordanians only let Levy into their countries as a
favour to Blair. So much for British foreign policy in the region,
huh?
--
amicalement,

Daniel
x***@yahoo.co.uk
2007-05-16 14:46:08 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew (sic) , the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope.
When you are determining who is/not a jew, the only criteria you can
use are objective ones such as DNA. NOT some bizarre collection of
archaic b"shit (aka jew law).
How about when Goering said "I decide who is a Jew"?
You can't get any more objective than that!
You bet and I bet his judgment superceded Jewish laws.
Post by The Revd
It takes a rare talent to spot jew DNA without taking swab samples and
testing them!
It certainly helped Goering when it came to pilfering works of art and
businesses from the Jews in Germany.
Post by The Revd
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
Spiritual state??? LOL
What can possibly be spiritual about being a jew asshole?
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish (sic) DNA", you obviously agree with me.
There obviously *is* jew DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what keeps
jews looking jewish, generation after generation. Just look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
Would that explain why Roman Abramovich bears a closer resemblence to
Paul Reichmann than he does to any Russian I have seen?
It's highly likely! It's also why 'Lord' Levy doesn't look anything
like Gordon Brown.
But does bear a passing resemblance to David Dein...........
--
amicalement,
BERNARD IS TYPICAL OLD GENEATION FROG MAYBE SARKO IS DIFF..
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-16 17:55:23 UTC
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Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
And since there is no "Jewish (sic)
It takes a real c*nt to pretend that "Jewish" is the mis-spelling.
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
DNA", you obviously agree with
me.
There obviously *is* jew [sic] DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what
keeps
jews [sic] looking jewish [sic], generation after generation. Just
look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
It takes a true thick c*nt to say this in the face of people such as
Natalie Portman, Paul Newman, Alicia Silverstone, Leslie Howard,
Paulette Goddard - for normal people, I could stop here.
For the phony rev & his suck puppets, I shall have to produce more,
I know.
[snip similar lies]
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
--
amicalement,
And here's the biggest lie of all.
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
BERNARD IS TYPICAL OLD GENEATION FROG MAYBE SARKO IS DIFF..
Of course: he's Hungarian, AFATAC.

http://frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6085

"The First Rule of French Warfare: "French armies are victorious only when
not led by a Frenchman.""

Susan
Chairman Mao says:
2007-05-16 20:15:44 UTC
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THE REPUBLICAN FISHERMAN


A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost.

She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to
him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an
hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air
balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above
sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100
degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically
correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm
still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going.
You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made
a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your
problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but,
somehow, now it's my fault...................












**************************************
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
And since there is no "Jewish (sic)
It takes a real c*nt to pretend that "Jewish" is the mis-spelling.
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by The Revd
DNA", you obviously agree with
me.
There obviously *is* jew [sic] DNA, you th*ck Irish cunt - it's what
keeps
jews [sic] looking jewish [sic], generation after generation.
Just
look at the
cross-eyed, drooping-lower-lipped Barbra Streisand!
It takes a true thick c*nt to say this in the face of people such as
Natalie Portman, Paul Newman, Alicia Silverstone, Leslie Howard,
Paulette Goddard - for normal people, I could stop here.
For the phony rev & his suck puppets, I shall have to produce more,
I know.
[snip similar lies]
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Daniel Bernard
--
amicalement,
And here's the biggest lie of all.
Post by x***@yahoo.co.uk
BERNARD IS TYPICAL OLD GENEATION FROG MAYBE SARKO IS DIFF..
Of course: he's Hungarian, AFATAC.
http://frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6085
"The First Rule of French Warfare: "French armies are victorious only when
not led by a Frenchman.""
Susan
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-16 08:57:57 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew, the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Nope. It's all down to physics, you thick Irish cunt. No yid DNA - No yid.
gogu
2007-05-16 21:14:08 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew, the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Your prerogative.
Post by f***@verizon.net
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
No, I am not trying to determine a spiritual state, I am trying to determine
an anthropologic state!
OK, let's put it in simpler terms so we can reach an agreement: what is the
*blood*
in his veins?
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish DNA", you obviously agree with me.
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!

BTW, you missed to answer my question regarding his grandfather: Sarkozy's
grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that or not?... Israelite?...

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by f***@verizon.net
Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-17 02:55:12 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew, the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Your prerogative.
Post by f***@verizon.net
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
No, I am not trying to determine a spiritual state, I am trying to determine
an anthropologic state!
OK, let's put it in simpler terms so we can reach an agreement: what is
the *blood* in his veins?
Most likely red.
Unless it's the deoxygenated type, then it's blue.
:-)
Post by gogu
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
I think if you said "Semite" it would make sense.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish DNA", you obviously agree with me.
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
Post by gogu
BTW, you missed to answer my question regarding his grandfather: Sarkozy's
grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that or not?... Israelite?...
He was considered a sinning Jew.
And yes, I did miss that question - sorry!

Susan
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 10:51:13 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or
not,
is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
Nope.
When you are discussing who is/not a Jew, the only law you can
use is Jewish Law.
Your prerogative.
Post by f***@verizon.net
To do otherwise is to - for example - say who is a French citizen
based on American citizenship laws. Or, even dumber, the revsrse
of seeing who is an orangutan based on American citizenship laws.
You are trying to determine a spiritual state by using physical laws -
it cannot work.
No, I am not trying to determine a spiritual state, I am trying to determine
an anthropologic state!
OK, let's put it in simpler terms so we can reach an agreement: what is
the *blood* in his veins?
Most likely red.
Unless it's the deoxygenated type, then it's blue.
:-)
Post by gogu
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
I think if you said "Semite" it would make sense.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
And since there is no "Jewish DNA", you obviously agree with me.
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
I don't know about it meaning nothing, you konvert kunt.

The first trip he's made in his new job is to suck up to Merkelstein in
Germany, and guess what they spoke of, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt?
gogu
2007-05-17 20:28:11 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
I think if you said "Semite" it would make sense.
Like if you say "Indo-European" for a Greek, a German or an Italian:-)
That's quite vague, I am asking what is the best term to determine them more
exactly.
BTW, why "Israelite" is not a term you would like?!
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always referred as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
Racial?
Of course DNA says "who/what you are"!
Ethically or religiously?
Of course it doesn't!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
???
Why is that?!
I am quite proud he is an Israelite!
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...), is he considered
a Jew or not by the clergy!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
BTW, you missed to answer my question regarding his grandfather: Sarkozy's
grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that or not?... Israelite?...
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Post by f***@verizon.net
And yes, I did miss that question - sorry!
No problem, it happens.

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
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Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 00:52:07 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
I think if you said "Semite" it would make sense.
Like if you say "Indo-European" for a Greek, a German or an Italian:-)
That's quite vague, I am asking what is the best term to determine them more
exactly.
BTW, why "Israelite" is not a term you would like?!
Because if you are trying to come up with something racial,
that doesn't work.
It's (sort of) like saying "Irish" when you mean "Celtic" - and
even then, it's not exact.
Post by gogu
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always referred as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Except that they aren't discussing a race when they do that.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
In the sense that can't be determined by DNA.
Post by gogu
Racial?
Of course DNA says "who/what you are"!
Right, which is why I made the specific reference I did.
Post by gogu
Ethically or religiously?
Of course it doesn't!
WHich is why you can;t use the term "Jewish DNA."
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
???
Why is that?!
I am quite proud he is an Israelite!
I can't be proud that he is because he's not.
Post by gogu
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...)
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
And he isn't.
Post by gogu
, is he
considered
a Jew or not by the clergy!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
BTW, you missed to answer my question regarding his grandfather: Sarkozy's
grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that or not?... Israelite?...
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."

Susan
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
And yes, I did miss that question - sorry!
No problem, it happens.
G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
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Susan
The Revd
2007-05-18 05:32:10 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Is it partly Jewish (in the race meaning of the word, or if you prefer
"Israelite") or not?...
But if you don't agree with the term "Jewish" when we talk about blood/race,
please let me know what term you find correct to use in such a case.
I think if you said "Semite" it would make sense.
Like if you say "Indo-European" for a Greek, a German or an Italian:-)
That's quite vague, I am asking what is the best term to determine them more
exactly.
BTW, why "Israelite" is not a term you would like?!
Because if you are trying to come up with something racial,
that doesn't work.
It certainly does. That's why (real) jews keep looking jewish,
generation after generation.
Post by f***@verizon.net
It's (sort of) like saying "Irish" when you mean "Celtic" - and
even then, it's not exact.
You can't 'convert' to being Irish/Celtic either.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always referred as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Except that they aren't discussing a race when they do that.
They are - the jew race.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Of course there is no Jewish DNA as there is no British, French or Italian
DNA!
But the DNA is telling us to *who* you are connected by your blood line!
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
In the sense that can't be determined by DNA.
Being jewish certainly can.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Racial?
Of course DNA says "who/what you are"!
Right, which is why I made the specific reference I did.
Duh.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Ethically or religiously?
Of course it doesn't!
WHich is why you can;t (sic) use the term "Jewish (sic) DNA."
You certainly can if you're referring to real jews.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
???
Why is that?!
I am quite proud he is an Israelite!
I can't be proud that he is because he's not.
Nor are you, for that matter.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...)
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
Which of course leaves you out, you th*ck Irish cunt.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
BTW, you missed to answer my question regarding his grandfather: Sarkozy's
grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that or not?... Israelite?...
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."
Suzy
In other words, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't recognize your
'conversion' to jewdism.
Binjamin Cram'er
2007-05-18 06:21:19 UTC
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Post by gogu
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...)
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
And he isn't.
Nor are you, cunt.
gogu
2007-05-18 14:55:14 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Like if you say "Indo-European" for a Greek, a German or an Italian:-)
That's quite vague, I am asking what is the best term to determine them more
exactly.
BTW, why "Israelite" is not a term you would like?!
Because if you are trying to come up with something racial,
that doesn't work.
It's (sort of) like saying "Irish" when you mean "Celtic" - and
even then, it's not exact.
I don't think it's the same thing, "Israelites" is a much more precise term
(in the ethnic/racial meaning of the word) than...Celts!
To me Israelite is the same as saying British, Italian, Greek or German!
None of these people are pure 100% but nevertheless they share a quite
extensive number of similar characteristics (in DNA terms), so to me
*scientifically* the term Israelite seems OK.
Am I missing something?
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always referred as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Except that they aren't discussing a race when they do that.
A, then this is their fault!
Bigots and anti-Semites will always find something to say, something to
distort...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
In the sense that can't be determined by DNA.
By itself and alone the DNA certainly can't tell if you are Greek, British,
German or Martian!
But in comparison with *known* DNA samples of people belonging to the
Israelite ethnos for instance, then you *can* say (within a reasonable limit
of error...) that given person belongs to this people!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Racial?
Of course DNA says "who/what you are"!
Right, which is why I made the specific reference I did.
And with my above remark I understand that we agree on that.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Ethically or religiously?
Of course it doesn't!
WHich is why you can;t use the term "Jewish DNA."
Of course it's not a scientific term!
But many times when someone wants to praise something good in someone, he
says: "you can see the Scottish (for example...) DNA in him"!
Of course this is not a scientific expression but is often used and without
any racist connotations.
My own people are using this term when they want to praise the bravery of a
Greek.
"Poetic license"...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
???
Why is that?!
I am quite proud he is an Israelite!
I can't be proud that he is because he's not.
I know many Jews here who *are* quite proud Sarkozy is a Jew, well, an
Israelite if you prefer.
I suppose there are different points of view among Jews (like always;-)).
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...)
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
Arabs are Semites, too!
I wouldn't like to confuse Arabs with Jews, we need a more precise term!
Post by f***@verizon.net
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
Nope, in what way you are "discussing" Jews by doing that?!
As I said I find it quite correct and non offending.
After all in the Bible you can find this term millions of times to describe
the people of Israel!
Is the Old Testament wrong?!...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."
???
Never heard of such a term!
And I lived in Italy for more than 5 years...
In the Orthodoxy sure there is no such a pejorative term!

A nice weekend to everybody!

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 18:41:51 UTC
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Post by gogu
I don't think it's the same thing, "Israelites" is a much more precise term
(in the ethnic/racial meaning of the word) than...Celts!
Which is why you should be using it in the sens ethat you want.
Israelite is NOT a race: Jews started out as a subset of a race.
Post by gogu
To me Israelite is the same as saying British, Italian, Greek or German!
Except that the rules are different.
British-ness, Italian-ness, Greek-ness, etc., can be pased down through the
father.
There are more specific rules to being an Israelite.
The very sort of DNA-type discussions yo uare trying to have are better
served
withthe term "Semite."
Post by gogu
None of these people are pure 100% but nevertheless they share a quite
extensive number of similar characteristics (in DNA terms), so to me
*scientifically* the term Israelite seems OK.
Am I missing something?
See above.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always
referred
as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Except that they aren't discussing a race when they do that.
A, then this is their fault!
Bigots and anti-Semites will always find something to say, something to
distort...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
In the sense that can't be determined by DNA.
By itself and alone the DNA certainly can't tell if you are Greek, British,
German or Martian!
It can't?
i thought therre were certain types of things that were "markers" or
something.
Ah, well - learn something new every day!
Post by gogu
But in comparison with *known* DNA samples of people belonging to the
Israelite ethnos for instance, then you *can* say (within a reasonable
limit of error...) that given person belongs to this people!
Then you are discussing an even *narrower* range than "Israelities",
because what you are talking about are Kohanim - one family of Jews
(& their non-Jewish relatives).
[snip more stuff]
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
Arabs are Semites, too!
I wouldn't like to confuse Arabs with Jews, we need a more precise term!
But when you are speaking "racially", you have to do this.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
Nope, in what way you are "discussing" Jews by doing that?!
Israelites are Jews!
Post by gogu
As I said I find it quite correct and non offending.
I am not so much offended as I am bothered by the inexactness.
Post by gogu
After all in the Bible you can find this term millions of times to describe
the people of Israel!
Yes, JEWS, like i said.
"Israelite" refers SOLELY to JEWS.
Post by gogu
Is the Old Testament wrong?!...
No, the Torah is not wrong - but then again, as i said, Torah
uses that term solely for Jews.
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."
???
Never heard of such a term!
One Catholic friend of mine told me this, others have confirmed it.
Post by gogu
And I lived in Italy for more than 5 years...
In the Orthodoxy sure there is no such a pejorative term!
To be fair, the Catholics think theyare being kind when they use it.
They want the person to know s/he is always welcomed back.
Post by gogu
A nice weekend to everybody!
And to you!

Susan
Binjamin Cram'er
2007-05-18 23:29:52 UTC
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Post by gogu
I don't think it's the same thing, "Israelites" is a much more precise term
(in the ethnic/racial meaning of the word) than...Celts!
Which is why you should be using it in the sens[sic] ethat[sic] you want.
Israelite is NOT a race: Jews started out as a subset of a race.
And yet more evidence of cohen's dyslexia.
gogu
2007-05-21 18:45:01 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
To me Israelite is the same as saying British, Italian, Greek or German!
Except that the rules are different.
Again, we must be precise: *what* rules?!
The scientific rules or the religious/historical/etc?...
Post by f***@verizon.net
British-ness, Italian-ness, Greek-ness, etc., can be pased down through the
father.
There are more specific rules to being an Israelite.
Ah, see what I mean?
We are discussing again in different terms!
I am talking strictly on scientific terms of determining the "Israelites" as
a race, you are talking in religious/traditional terms!
That's why in science we say that we must determine a "common language" in
order to can "understand" each other and communicate without errors!
Post by f***@verizon.net
The very sort of DNA-type discussions yo uare trying to have are better
served
withthe term "Semite."
Post by gogu
None of these people are pure 100% but nevertheless they share a quite
extensive number of similar characteristics (in DNA terms), so to me
*scientifically* the term Israelite seems OK.
Am I missing something?
See above.
Well, obviously I can't get it, probably I am just a "stupid" architect with
a PhD (actually two);-)
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
By itself and alone the DNA certainly can't tell if you are Greek, British,
German or Martian!
It can't?
Very vague and not precise, as I said.
You can compare much better and with greater grade of success if you have a
database of a given people and compare a single person against the DNA
findings of that team sharing common characteristics!
Post by f***@verizon.net
i thought therre were certain types of things that were "markers" or
something.
Ah, well - learn something new every day!
Yes, there are markers but if you follow the subject closely (DNA findings)
you'll see that it's not so simple...
Such markers can be find in various groups of people and again not be able
to say which "race" the specific person is!
Take for instance an Arab and an "Israelite"!
Examining their DNA *nobody* can tell with 100% certainty who is the Arab
and who is the "Israelite"!
Just for comparison purposes, please see bellow something focused on Greece
and Turkey; even if different, you'll see that there is a quite big
percentage
of Turks with...Greek DNA markers! Reading the text you'll also understand
the "why".
------------
Racial compositionin greece and turkey and human racial classification.

Greece=40% east mediterraneans(aegean,present among minoans,aheans,
25%dinaricized mediterraneans( also present among ancient hellenes),20%
alpine (most common in epirus dorians ),10% dinaric (dorians were partly
dinarics),5 % nordish( partly assimilated remnant, or genetic recombinations
from solution; most common in the N,germanic invasion impact ) = 40% med./
25% D.M/ 20% UP/ 10% dinarik/ 5% N.


Turkey= 35% dinaricized mediterraneans( Greek colonist). 20%
mediterraneans( aegean coast,greek colonist),25% irano afghans (eastern
turkey, kurds),20% turanids (original semi oriental turkics, inhabits
continental parts of anatolia one of them being region around konya) =35%
D.M/ 25% I.A / 20% med. /20% Turanids
-------------
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
But in comparison with *known* DNA samples of people belonging to the
Israelite ethnos for instance, then you *can* say (within a reasonable
limit of error...) that given person belongs to this people!
Then you are discussing an even *narrower* range than "Israelities",
because what you are talking about are Kohanim - one family of Jews
(& their non-Jewish relatives).
Well, I am not sure if it can be narrowed so much...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
Arabs are Semites, too!
I wouldn't like to confuse Arabs with Jews, we need a more precise term!
But when you are speaking "racially", you have to do this.
In this line of thinking, when you speak racial about *every* European
people you should say...Indo-Europeans:-)
I don't think this is clearly defining one European people from other:-)
OK, let's put it this way: major family: Semites; sub-family: Israelites!
(or Arabs).
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
Nope, in what way you are "discussing" Jews by doing that?!
Israelites are Jews!
Of course!
But again in what sense are we talking?!...
AFAIK there exist even Christian "Jews"!
And in order to spare us from the above "cacophony" IMHO the term "Christian
Israelites" is much better, less confusing!
This way we are making a clear distinction between "Israelite"=racial type
and "Jew"=religious calcification.
Now the fact that the overwhelming majority of the "Israelites" are Jews (in
faith) is
not against the above distinction...
My two cents, maybe I am wrong...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
As I said I find it quite correct and non offending.
I am not so much offended as I am bothered by the inexactness.
Of the term "Israelite" about the majority of the Jews as I say above?
Sorry but I fail to see why it's "inexact"...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
After all in the Bible you can find this term millions of times to describe
the people of Israel!
Yes, JEWS, like i said.
"Israelite" refers SOLELY to JEWS.
Sorry but in the original Bible, that is the Greek version, the term used
many times was/is "Israelites"!
You may be surprised but our community in Greece is called..."Israelite
Community" and the central council is called "Israelite Cancel"!
If what you say is correct (Israelite=inexact) I suppose we would use the
term "Jewish Community", right?...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Is the Old Testament wrong?!...
No, the Torah is not wrong - but then again, as i said, Torah
uses that term solely for Jews.
Right!
And I say to use it for the "genuine" Jews, as for converts the general term
"Jew" is OK!
Am I wrong in something?
Something like the "Israeli" citizenship!
Not every Jew is an Israeli citizen!
I think we can see the whole matter under this light!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."
???
Never heard of such a term!
One Catholic friend of mine told me this, others have confirmed it.
I don't know about *American* Catholics and their ideas on who is a good
Catholic and who is not, but in the heart of Catholicism I never heard
something like that!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And I lived in Italy for more than 5 years...
In the Orthodoxy sure there is no such a pejorative term!
To be fair, the Catholics think theyare being kind when they use it.
They want the person to know s/he is always welcomed back.
As I said, I don't know, maybe it's something local in the US...
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choro-nik
2007-05-18 22:48:13 UTC
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gogu, this is not from your pen unless somebody is editing your stuff. I
wonder, I just wonder who that person might be?

Panta?!

Has somebody given Panta a promotion? Who is the Wolfowitz in your
organization? <G>

Me wonder?

Wonders never cease!
--
choro-nik
========
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Like if you say "Indo-European" for a Greek, a German or an Italian:-)
That's quite vague, I am asking what is the best term to determine them more
exactly.
BTW, why "Israelite" is not a term you would like?!
Because if you are trying to come up with something racial,
that doesn't work.
It's (sort of) like saying "Irish" when you mean "Celtic" - and
even then, it's not exact.
I don't think it's the same thing, "Israelites" is a much more precise term
(in the ethnic/racial meaning of the word) than...Celts!
To me Israelite is the same as saying British, Italian, Greek or German!
None of these people are pure 100% but nevertheless they share a quite
extensive number of similar characteristics (in DNA terms), so to me
*scientifically* the term Israelite seems OK.
Am I missing something?
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
In the history the people of Israel (=racial marker) are always referred as
"Israelites" and I find this term quite correct.
Except that they aren't discussing a race when they do that.
A, then this is their fault!
Bigots and anti-Semites will always find something to say, something to
distort...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Right; it doesn't say who/what you are when that state can't be
determined by DNA.
"who/what you are" in what sense?
In the sense that can't be determined by DNA.
By itself and alone the DNA certainly can't tell if you are Greek, British,
German or Martian!
But in comparison with *known* DNA samples of people belonging to the
Israelite ethnos for instance, then you *can* say (within a reasonable limit
of error...) that given person belongs to this people!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Racial?
Of course DNA says "who/what you are"!
Right, which is why I made the specific reference I did.
And with my above remark I understand that we agree on that.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Ethically or religiously?
Of course it doesn't!
WHich is why you can;t use the term "Jewish DNA."
Of course it's not a scientific term!
But many times when someone wants to praise something good in someone, he
says: "you can see the Scottish (for example...) DNA in him"!
Of course this is not a scientific expression but is often used and without
any racist connotations.
My own people are using this term when they want to praise the bravery of a
Greek.
"Poetic license"...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
And like it or not, Sarkozy is connected -through his grandfather- with
Jews/Israelites!
But it means nothing, except to bigots.
???
Why is that?!
I am quite proud he is an Israelite!
I can't be proud that he is because he's not.
I know many Jews here who *are* quite proud Sarkozy is a Jew, well, an
Israelite if you prefer.
I suppose there are different points of view among Jews (like always;-)).
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
As I am proud for every "Israelite" (let's agree to use this term in order
to understand what are we talking about, race or faith...)
Then you have to use the term "Semite".
Arabs are Semites, too!
I wouldn't like to confuse Arabs with Jews, we need a more precise term!
Post by f***@verizon.net
To say the word "Israelite", you are discussing Jews.
Nope, in what way you are "discussing" Jews by doing that?!
As I said I find it quite correct and non offending.
After all in the Bible you can find this term millions of times to describe
the people of Israel!
Is the Old Testament wrong?!...
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
He was considered a sinning Jew.
That's for sure!
But still a Jew, even after his conversion to Catholicism?...
Yep.
Rather like in Catholicsm.
Anyone who converts out is called "a lapsed Catholic."
???
Never heard of such a term!
And I lived in Italy for more than 5 years...
In the Orthodoxy sure there is no such a pejorative term!
A nice weekend to everybody!
G.O.L
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Panta Rhei
2007-05-18 22:56:13 UTC
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choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip the blathering Turkish piece of shit>

... and you actually had the cheek today to complain that people call you an
asshole and scum!!! LOL!

Dumb Turks with computers, the laughing stock of the entire Usenet!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2007-05-18 23:27:32 UTC
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You can't move a foot without me jumping on your back, can you Panta?
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Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the blathering Turkish piece of shit>
... and you actually had the cheek today to complain that people call you an
asshole and scum!!! LOL!
Dumb Turks with computers, the laughing stock of the entire Usenet!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Geno1234
2007-05-18 23:32:16 UTC
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u r a disgusting newnazi turk.u r no better than baba turk.why some turks
always like to make us,the good turks of germany feel embarrassed?kolo nik u
r a bad turk,may Allah send u the black death
Post by choro-nik
You can't move a foot without me jumping on your back, can you Panta?
--
choro-nik
========
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the blathering Turkish piece of shit>
... and you actually had the cheek today to complain that people call you an
asshole and scum!!! LOL!
Dumb Turks with computers, the laughing stock of the entire Usenet!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2007-05-18 23:49:33 UTC
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Allah may be your God but he certainly ain't mine.
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Post by Geno1234
u r a disgusting newnazi turk.u r no better than baba turk.why some turks
always like to make us,the good turks of germany feel embarrassed?kolo nik
u r a bad turk,may Allah send u the black death
Post by choro-nik
You can't move a foot without me jumping on your back, can you Panta?
--
choro-nik
========
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the blathering Turkish piece of shit>
... and you actually had the cheek today to complain that people call you an
asshole and scum!!! LOL!
Dumb Turks with computers, the laughing stock of the entire Usenet!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Geno1234
2007-05-18 23:57:10 UTC
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u r a sinning,bad,bad,bad turk.u r the black ship of us turks,u r the reason
of our suffernce.Allah will punish u,he will cut your dick and fed u with it
Post by choro-nik
Allah may be your God but he certainly ain't mine.
--
choro-nik
========
Post by Geno1234
u r a disgusting newnazi turk.u r no better than baba turk.why some turks
always like to make us,the good turks of germany feel embarrassed?kolo nik
u r a bad turk,may Allah send u the black death
Post by choro-nik
You can't move a foot without me jumping on your back, can you Panta?
--
choro-nik
========
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the blathering Turkish piece of shit>
... and you actually had the cheek today to complain that people call you an
asshole and scum!!! LOL!
Dumb Turks with computers, the laughing stock of the entire Usenet!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2007-05-19 00:20:28 UTC
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Post by Geno1234
u r a disgusting newnazi turk.u r no better than baba turk.why some turks
always like to make us,the good turks of germany feel embarrassed?kolo nik u
r a bad turk,may Allah send u the black death
"Disgusting" is the keyword with that slimy Turk! The slime and stench he
keeps emitting is his special mark and the sign of his individuality! It's
also his way to "defend" himself ...like a skunk! Poooooo...!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2007-05-19 00:13:07 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
You can't move a foot without me jumping on your back, can you Panta?
Trying to have a conversation in your slimy manner, you slimy, disgusting
Turk? <BG> Just guess what will come of it, your rotten Turkish dumbass!
<VBG>
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Grand Sen~or
2007-05-16 08:03:47 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
The rest is -as I said before- *religious conventions* and beliefs.
Of course everybody is free to believe/follow whatever he wants, religion or
science...
those laws you are talking about are physiological laws.
However someone's being a jew or not is definitely related to social
laws.
It is true only jews according to their laws decide whether Darwin was
a jew or not. NOT Darwin's laws.
Post by gogu
G.O.L
PS
His family history is quite interesting, you should read it!http://ejpress.org/article/16491
BTW his grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that?...
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The Revd
2007-05-16 08:47:14 UTC
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Post by Grand Sen~or
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
The rest is -as I said before- *religious conventions* and beliefs.
Of course everybody is free to believe/follow whatever he wants, religion or
science...
those laws you are talking about are physiological laws.
However someone's being a jew or not is definitely related to social
laws.
It is true only jews according to their laws decide whether Darwin was
a jew or not. NOT Darwin's laws.
This is, of course, total b"shit. Being a jew *is* a physiological
state. That's why jews *look* jewish! What jews decide using their
archaic jew law means jack shit. Being a jew is defined by how much
jew DNA you have. It really is as straightforward as that.
choro-nik
2007-05-16 09:57:07 UTC
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Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person one
thinks of as his uncle.

However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a bit
of salt...

The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be better
Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother. It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own children
with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.

The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws. No wonder they say that the law is an ass.
--
choro-nik
========
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
No one is hiding & I am the one facing the truth.
Jewish law & nothing else determines who is a Jew.
I am sorry but the only "law" which determines what a person is or not, is
the Mendel law(s) or Darwin's theory.
The person we are talking about -like it or not- carries 25% of his
grandfather's DNA and *this* is a *scientific* fact!
The rest is -as I said before- *religious conventions* and beliefs.
Of course everybody is free to believe/follow whatever he wants, religion or
science...
those laws you are talking about are physiological laws.
However someone's being a jew or not is definitely related to social
laws.
It is true only jews according to their laws decide whether Darwin was
a jew or not. NOT Darwin's laws.
Post by gogu
G.O.L
PS
His family history is quite interesting, you should read
it!http://ejpress.org/article/16491
BTW his grandfather converted to Catholicism in order to marry Adele, was he
considered a Jew after that?...
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The Revd
2007-05-16 10:26:46 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me.
You may, but that would be totally irrational.
Post by choro-nik
It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage.
No, it isn't. Both matter equally.
Post by choro-nik
After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person one
thinks of as his uncle.
Only if one's mother happens to be a jew slag who will sleep with
anyone.
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a bit
of salt...
No, let's use something more objective such as the presence or absence
of jew DNA. This will eliminate 'converts', wannabes, shabbos goys,
schvartzes and other bogus jews.
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be better
Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
No, that's simply not possible. No jew DNA.
Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own children
with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
Whether they adopt jew tradition/religion or not, unless they have jew
DNA they're not jews.
Post by choro-nik
The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws. No wonder they say that the law is an ass.
No, it's far more scientific than that. You can't be a jew without
jew DNA.
And jew law certainly is an ass.

<b'rissed>
gogu
2007-05-16 21:15:43 UTC
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Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me.
You may, but that would be totally irrational.
He is always;-)
Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage.
No, it isn't. Both matter equally.
Here I must say that it is proven that the "Mitochondrial DNA " which is
transmitted *exclusively* by female lineage is the one to bring through
centuries the common characteristics, and this *was* proved by scientists.
No that the parental DNA is not playing a role though. So the Jewish law
is *proved* to be right in one aspect (=maternal lineage is more important)
but this does not mean that the nuclear DNA transmitted to children of both
genders is making them not children of the same ethnic group as their
parents!
-----------
from Wikipedia:

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called
mitochondria. Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the
nucleus. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA are thought to be of separate
evolutionary origin, with the mtDNA being derived from the circular genomes
of the bacteria that were engulfed by the early ancestors of today's
eukaryotic cells. In the cells of current organisms, the vast majority of
the proteins present in the mitochondria (numbering approximately 1500
different types in mammals) are coded for by nuclear DNA, but the genes for
some of them, if not most, are thought to have originally been of bacterial
origin, having since been transferred to the eukaryotic nucleus during
evolution. In mammals, all mtDNA in a zygote is inherited solely from the
mother, and this holds true for most other organisms as well.

Currently, human mtDNA is present at 100-10,000 separate copies per cell,
with each circular molecule consisting of 16,569 base pairs with 37 genes,
13 proteins (polypeptides), 22 transfer RNA (tRNAs) and two ribosomal RNAs
(rRNAs).

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rgrds to all

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
choro-nik
2007-05-16 23:56:52 UTC
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Eisai poly eksipnos re gogu.

Ain't gogu a clever boy? First he says that I am always irrational and then
in the very next sentence he agrees with me that the maternal lineage is the
more important of the two. I want to add here and now that it is at least
more tamperproof. <G>

Mpravo re gogulo! Ma eisai asila gogulos.
Bravo gogulo! You are a real gogulo.

And BTW one of my great grandfathers was also from Thessaloniki.
--
choro-nik
========
Post by gogu
Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me.
You may, but that would be totally irrational.
He is always;-)
Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage.
No, it isn't. Both matter equally.
Here I must say that it is proven that the "Mitochondrial DNA " which is
transmitted *exclusively* by female lineage is the one to bring through
centuries the common characteristics, and this *was* proved by scientists.
No that the parental DNA is not playing a role though. So the Jewish law
is *proved* to be right in one aspect (=maternal lineage is more important)
but this does not mean that the nuclear DNA transmitted to children of both
genders is making them not children of the same ethnic group as their
parents!
-----------
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called
mitochondria. Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the
nucleus. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA are thought to be of separate
evolutionary origin, with the mtDNA being derived from the circular genomes
of the bacteria that were engulfed by the early ancestors of today's
eukaryotic cells. In the cells of current organisms, the vast majority of
the proteins present in the mitochondria (numbering approximately 1500
different types in mammals) are coded for by nuclear DNA, but the genes for
some of them, if not most, are thought to have originally been of bacterial
origin, having since been transferred to the eukaryotic nucleus during
evolution. In mammals, all mtDNA in a zygote is inherited solely from the
mother, and this holds true for most other organisms as well.
Currently, human mtDNA is present at 100-10,000 separate copies per cell,
with each circular molecule consisting of 16,569 base pairs with 37 genes,
13 proteins (polypeptides), 22 transfer RNA (tRNAs) and two ribosomal RNAs
(rRNAs).
--------------
rgrds to all
G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
The Revd
2007-05-18 05:35:49 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me.
You may, but that would be totally irrational.
He is always;-)
Post by The Revd
Post by choro-nik
It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage.
No, it isn't. Both matter equally.
Here I must say that it is proven that the "Mitochondrial DNA " which is
transmitted *exclusively* by female lineage is the one to bring through
centuries the common characteristics, and this *was* proved by scientists.
No that the parental DNA is not playing a role though. So the Jewish law
is *proved* to be right in one aspect (=maternal lineage is more important)
but this does not mean that the nuclear DNA transmitted to children of both
genders is making them not children of the same ethnic group as their
parents!
What jew law does is totally ignore the DNA of the father. And then,
to make things even worse, it contradicts itself by allowing for
'conversion' regardless of the mother's race!
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-16 17:48:42 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person
one thinks of as his uncle.
There is that, but the reason is because women are more spiritually
connected to G-d.
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a
bit of salt...
Why?
Jewish law is quite explicit.
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own
children with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
I haven't heard of any situationl ike this, but, in the realm of human
behavior, I'm sure it's possible. But Judaism isn't dependent on behavior.
Post by choro-nik
The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws.
Did you mean to put the word "contrary" in there?
Because if you did, it doesn't make sense.
Post by choro-nik
No wonder they say that the law is an ass.
Non-believers say a lot of things.

Susan
choro-nik
2007-05-16 18:31:03 UTC
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Being Jewish is a question of faith. Nothing more, nothing less. When you
have Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, but what is more when you have black
Jews and white Jews, how on earth can one argue that Jews are a race?
Besides, according to some, themselves Jewish -- and their arguments are
based on solid ground -- East European Jews are of Khazar Turkic origin who
converted to Judaism.

I have known many Turks who are taken to be Jewish and many Jews who look
very much like Turks. And I say this without any prejudice against Jews as
such.

Yes, they are a people but a people with very mixed origins. Some obviously
are of the old Israelite origin but many, probably most, are not.
--
choro-nik
========
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person
one thinks of as his uncle.
There is that, but the reason is because women are more spiritually
connected to G-d.
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a
bit of salt...
Why?
Jewish law is quite explicit.
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own
children with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
I haven't heard of any situationl ike this, but, in the realm of human
behavior, I'm sure it's possible. But Judaism isn't dependent on behavior.
Post by choro-nik
The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws.
Did you mean to put the word "contrary" in there?
Because if you did, it doesn't make sense.
Post by choro-nik
No wonder they say that the law is an ass.
Non-believers say a lot of things.
Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-17 02:35:39 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Being Jewish is a question of faith. Nothing more, nothing less.
Depends on how you look at it.
Jews, of course, consider it a spiritual state.
Post by choro-nik
When you
have Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, but what is more when you have black
Jews and white Jews, how on earth can one argue that Jews are a race?
Only idiots do this.
Post by choro-nik
Besides, according to some, themselves Jewish -- and their arguments are
based on solid ground -- East European Jews are of Khazar Turkic origin
who converted to Judaism.
This is a complete & total falsehood.
Not only is this NOT "on solid ground", no Jew with half a brain repeats it.
Post by choro-nik
I have known many Turks who are taken to be Jewish and many Jews who look
very much like Turks. And I say this without any prejudice against Jews as
such.
Yes, they are a people but a people with very mixed origins. Some
obviously are of the old Israelite origin but many, probably most, are
not.
Untrue, and DNA show otherwise.
However, this is unimportant.

Susan
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-17 06:02:01 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
Being Jewish is a question of faith. Nothing more, nothing less.
Depends on how you look at it.
Jews, of course, consider it a spiritual state.
The bgot knows this is a lie. The hubby (TM) gets his car serviced
on the jew sabbath. What's "spiritual" about that?

Susan


<crap fluyshed>
Chairman Mao says:
2007-05-17 17:08:11 UTC
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A Communism for the 21st Century
By Fjordman
Brussels Journal | May 17, 2007

I've received some criticism for trying to figure out the ideological
and historical roots of Multiculturalism. Critics claim that it's all
about hate, about a desire to break down the Established Order at any
cost. Many of the proponents don't believe in the doctrine of
Multiculturalism themselves, so we shouldn't waste any time analyzing
the logic behind it, because there is none. A desire to break down
Western society is certainly there, but I do believe there are some
ideas about the desired end result articulated as well.

On one hand, we're supposed to "celebrate" our differences at the same
time as it is racist and taboo to recognize that any differences between
groups of people exist at all. This is hardly logically coherent, which
is why Multiculturalism can only be enforced by totalitarian means.
Perhaps it boils down to the fact there are no major differences, just
minor quirks, all cute, which should be celebrated at the same time as
we gradually eradicate them.

We are told to treat cultural and historical identities as fashion
accessories, shirts we can wear and change at will. The Multicultural
society is "colorful," an adjective normally attached to furniture or
curtains. Cultures are window decorations of little or no consequence,
and one might as well have one as the other. In fact, it is good to
change it every now and then. Don't you get tired of that old sofa
sometimes? What about exchanging it for the new sharia model? Sure, it's
slightly less comfortable than the old one, but it's very much in vogue
these days and sets you apart from the neighbors, at least until they
get one, too. Do you want a sample of the latest Calvin Klein perfume to
go with that sharia?

We should remember that this view of culture as largely unimportant is
essentially a Marxist view of the world, which has now even been adopted
by segments of the political Right, united with Leftists in the belief
that man is homo economicus, the economic man, the sum of his functions
as worker and consumer, nothing more. Marxism doesn't say that cultures
or ideas are of absolutely no consequence, but that they are of minor or
secondary importance next to structural and economic conditions.

I have heard individuals state point blank that even if Muslims become
the majority in our countries in the future, this doesn't matter because
all people are equal and all cultures are just a mix of everything else,
anyway. And since religions are just fairy-tales, replacing one
fairy-tale, Christianity, with another fairy-tale, Islam, won't make a
big difference. All religions basically say that the same things in
different ways. However, not one of them would ever dream of saying that
all political ideologies "basically mean the same thing." They simply
don't view religious or cultural ideas as significant, and thus won't
spend time on studying the largely unimportant details of each specific
creed. This is Marxist materialism.

The unstated premise behind this is that the age of distinct cultures is
over. All peoples around the world will gradually blend into one
another. Ethnic, religious and racial tensions will disappear, because
mankind will be one and equal. It's cultural and genetic Communism.
Nation states who create their own laws and uphold their own borders
constitute "discrimination" and an obstacle to this new Utopia, and will
gradually have to be dismantled, starting with Western nations of
course, replaced by a world where everybody has the right to move
wherever they want to and where international legislation and human
rights resolutions define the law, upheld by an elite of - supposedly
well-meaning - transnational bureaucrats managing our lives.

What the proponents of this ideology don't say is that even if it were
possible to melt all human beings into one people, which is in my view
neither possible nor desirable, this project would take generations or
centuries, and in the intervening time there would be numerous wars and
enormous suffering caused by the fact that not everybody would quietly
allow themselves to be eradicated.

All aspects of your person, from language via culture to skin color and
religion, are treated as imaginary social constructs. We are told that
"all cultures are hybrids and borrow from each other," that we were "all
immigrants" at one point in time and hence nobody has a right to claim
any specific piece of land as "theirs."

Since "we" are socially constructed, we can presumably also be socially
deconstructed. The Marxist "counter-culture"of the 1960s and 70s has
been remarkably effective at attacking the pillars of Western
civilization. It is, frankly, scary to notice how much damage just one
single generation can inflict upon a society. Maybe it's true that no
chain is stronger than its weakest link. Our education system is now
used to dismantle our culture, not to uphold it, and has moved from the
Age of Reason to the Age of Deconstruction. Socialism has destroyed the
very fabric of society. Our countries have become so damaged that people
feel there is nothing left fighting for, which no doubt was the
intention. Our children leave school as disoriented wrecks and
ideological cripples with no sense of identity, and are met with a roar
of outrage if they demonstrate the slightest inkling of a spine.

Codie Stott, a white English teenage schoolgirl, was arrested on
suspicion of committing a section five racial public order offense after
refusing to sit with a group of South Asian students because some of
them did not speak English. She was taken to Swinton police station, had
her fingerprints taken and was thrown into a cell before being released.
Robert Whelan of the Civitas think-tank said: "A lot of these arrests
don't result in prosecutions - the aim is to frighten us into
self-censorship until we watch everything we say."

Bryan Cork of Carlisle, Cumbria in the Lake District, was sentenced to
six months in jail for standing outside a mosque shouting, "Proud to be
British," and "Go back to where you came from." This happened while
Muslims were instituting sharia laws in British cities and got state
sponsorship for having several wives.

Antifascistisk Aktion in Sweden, a group that supposedly fights against
"racists," openly brag about numerous physical attacks against persons
with their full name and address published on their website. According
to AFA, this is done in order to fight against global capitalism and for
a classless society. They subscribe to an ideology that killed one
hundred million people during a few generations, and they are the good
guys. Those who object to being turned into a minority in their own
country through mass immigration are the bad guys.

The extreme Left didn't succeed in staging a violent revolution in the
West, so they decided to go for a permanent, structural revolution
instead. They now hope that immigrants can provide raw material for a
violent rebellion, especially since many of them are Muslims who have
displayed such a wonderful talent for violence and destruction. The
Western Left are importing a new proletariat, since the previous one
disappointed them.

A poll carried out on behalf of the Organization for Information on
Communism found that 90 percent of Swedes between the ages of 15 and 20
had never heard of the Gulag, although 95 percent knew of Auschwitz.
"Unfortunately we were not at all surprised by the findings," Ander
Hjemdahl, the founder of UOK, told website The Local. In the nationwide
poll, 43 percent believed that Communist regimes had claimed less than
one million lives. The actual figure is estimated at 100 million. 40
percent believed that Communism had contributed to increased prosperity
in the world. Mr. Hjemdahl states several reasons for this massive
ignorance, among them that "a large majority of Swedish journalists are
left-wingers, many of them quite far left."

I have personally read statements by leading media figures not just in
Sweden, but all over Western Europe, who openly brag about censoring
coverage of issues related to mass immigration and the Multicultural
society.

The Muslim writer Abdelwahab Meddeb believes that as a result of French
influence, the whole of the Mediterranean region "is suited to becoming
a laboratory for European thought." First of all, I don't think Islam
can be reformed, and even if it could, France currently lacks the
cultural confidence to lead such an effort. Behind their false pride,
they are a nation deeply unsure about themselves, and still carry
psychological wounds from their great Revolution of 1789. And second: A
bridge can be crossed two ways. Will France be a bridge for European
thought into the Islamic world or for Islamic thought into Europe? Right
now, the latter seems more likely. And finally: I greatly resent seeing
tens of millions of human beings described as a "laboratory."
Unfortunately, Mr. Meddeb is not alone in entertaining such ideas.

Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt has said: "Belgium is the
laboratory of European unification." What kind of confidence does it
inspire in citizens that their supposed leader talks about their country
as a laboratory? Are their children guinea pigs? Apparently, yes.

In 1960, 7.3% of the population of Belgian capital Brussels was foreign.
Today the figure is 56.5%. Jan Hertogen, a Marxist sociologist, can
hardly hide his excitement over this great experiment in social
engineering, and believes this population replacement "is an impressive
and unique development from a European, or even a world perspective."
Yes, it is probably the first time in human history that a nation
demographically has handed over its capital city to outsiders without
firing a single shot, but judging from trends in the rest of Europe, it
won't be the last. The European Union and the local, Multicultural
elites will see to that.

The Dutch writer Margriet de Moor provides another example of why
Multiculturalism is a massive experiment in social engineering, every
bit as radical and dangerous as Communism. Ms. de Moor lives in some
kind of alternate reality where "Europe's affluence and free speech"
will create an Islamic Reformation. But Muslim immigration constitutes a
massive drain on the former, and is slowly, but surely destroying the
latter:

"When I'm feeling optimistic I sometimes see the Netherlands, a small
laconic country not inclined towards the large-scale or the theatrical,
as a kind of laboratory on the edge of Europe. Now and then the mixture
of dangerous, easily inflammable substances results in a little
explosion, but basically the process of ordinary chemical reactions just
continues."

What kind of person refers to her own country as a laboratory? Ms. de
Moor sounds like a scientist, dispassionately studying an interesting
specimen in her microscope. I'm sure Theo van Gogh would be pleased to
hear that he was basically a lab rat when he ended up with a knife in
his chest for having "insulted" Islam, along with that of the "racist"
Pim Fortuyn the first political murder in Holland for centuries. What
was once one of the most tolerant nations in the world is now being
ruined by Muslim immigration. But hey, you have to break a few eggs to
make an omelet, right? These murders were an unfortunate business, no
doubt, but one mustn't call off the entire Multicultural experiment
because of a few minor setbacks.

We all told that Arabs triggered the Renaissance in Europe. Michelangelo
was commissioned by the Pope to paint the ceiling of The Sistine Chapel
within the Vatican. He painted God creating Adam. Did any of the Caliphs
or Sultans ever commission an artist to pant the image of Allah in
Mecca? Why not, if all cultures are one and the same? Likewise, the
political works of the ancient Greeks were never translated to Arabic,
as they presented systems such as democracy where men ruled themselves
according to their own laws. This was considered blasphemous to Muslims.
The same texts were later studied with great interest in the West.

Far from being irrelevant, culture is a massively important factor in
shaping a society. Islam's hostility to free speech is why Muslims never
had any Scientific or Industrial Revolution, for instance. If you
believe in evolution, isn't it then also likely that some cultures are
more evolved than others? That kind of blows Multiculturalism away,
doesn't it?

British PM Tony Blair is stepping down after having ruined his country
more in one decade than arguably any other leader has done before him.
He ran on the platform of New Labour, but as it turned out, his party
was still wed to the same old ideas of international Socialism.

According to the writer Melanie Phillips, "He is driven by a
universalist world view which minimises the profound nature of the
conflicts that divide people. He thinks that such divisions belong
essentially to a primitive past. (...) Hence his closely-related
obsession with 'universal' human rights law. Hence also his belief that
national borders no longer matter, that mass immigration is a good thing
and that Britain's unique identity must give way to multiculturalism.
This is the way, he thinks, to eradicate conflict, prejudice and war,
and create a global utopia. What a profound misjudgment. It is, instead,
the way to destroy democracy and the independent nations that create and
sustain it."

Marie Simonsen, the political editor of the Norwegian left-wing
newspaper Dagbladet, wrote in March 2007 that it should be considered a
universal human right for all people everywhere to migrate wherever they
want to. This statement came just after a UN report had predicted a
global population growth of several billion people to 2050.

It doesn't take much skill to calculate that unlimited migration will
spell certain death for a tiny Scandinavian nation - not in a matter of
generations, but theoretically even within a few weeks. Ms. Simonsen is
thus endorsing the eradication of her own people, and she does so almost
as an afterthought. Her comments received no opposition from anyone in
the media establishment, which could indicate that most of them share
her views, or at least have resigned themselves to the fact that our
death as a people is already inevitable.

Karl Marx has defined the essence of Socialism as abolishing private
property. Let's assume for a moment that a country can be treated as the
"property" of its citizens. Its inhabitants are responsible for creating
its infrastructure. They have built its roads and communications, its
schools, universities and medical facilities. They have created its
political institutions and instilled in its people the mental capacities
needed for upholding them. Is it then wrong for the citizens of this
country to want to enjoy the benefits of what they have themselves created?

According to Marxist logic, yes.

Imagine you have two such houses next to each other. In House A, the
inhabitants have over a period of generations created a tidy and
functioning household. They have limited their number of children
because they wanted to give all of them a proper education. In House B,
the inhabitants live in a dysfunctional household with too many children
who have received little higher education. One day they decide to move
to their neighbors'. Many of the inhabitants of House A are protesting,
but some of them think this might be a good idea. There is room for more
people in House A, they say. In addition to this, Amnesty International,
the United Nations and others claim that it is "racist" and "against
international law" for the inhabitants of House A to expel the
intruders. Pretty soon, House A has been turned into an overpopulated
and dysfunctional household just like House B.

This is what is happening to the West today. Europe itself could become
a failed continent by importing the problems of Africa and the Islamic
world. The notion that everybody should be free to move anywhere they
want to, and that preventing them from moving into your country is
"racism, xenophobia and bigotry," is the Communism of the 21st century.
And it will probably lead to immense human suffering.

One of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to
declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to
worry about. Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that
Marxist thinking has penetrated every single stratum of our society,
from the universities to the media. While the "hard" Marxism of the
Soviet Union may have collapsed, at least for now, the "soft" Marxism of
the Western Left has actually grown stronger, in part because we
mistakenly deemed it to be less threatening.

Ideas about Multiculturalism and de-facto open borders have achieved a
virtual hegemony in public discourse. By hiding behind labels such as
"anti-racism" and "tolerance," Leftists have achieved a degree of
censorship they could never have achieved had they openly stated that
their intention was to radically transform Western civilization and
destroy its foundations.

According to the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut, "the lofty idea
of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false
ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what
Communism was for the 20th century: A source of violence."

Alexander Boot, a Russian by birth, left for the West in the 1970s, only
to discover that the West he was seeking was no longer there. This led
him to write the book How the West Was Lost. Boot believes that
democracy, or in the words of Abraham Lincoln, the government of the
people, by the people and for the people, has been replaced by
glossocracy, the government of the word, by the word and for the word.

In a culture where language is power and words are used as weapons,
those who control the most fearsome of these weapons control society. In
the West, where equality in all walks of life is the highest virtue and
"discrimination" is a mortal sin, the "racist" is the worst of
creatures. Those who control the definition of "racist," the nuclear
bomb of glossocracy, have a powerful weapon they can utilize to
intimidate opponents. The mere utterance of the word can destroy careers
and ruin lives, with no trial and no possibility of appeal.

Currently, the power of definition largely rests in the hands of a
cartel of anti-racist organizations dominated by the extreme Left, often
in cooperation with Muslims. By silencing all opposition to mass
immigration as "racism," they can stage a transformation of society
every bit as massive as that of Communism, yet virtually shut down
debate about it.

Boot totally rejects the claim that Marxism has been misunderstood:

"Any serious study will demonstrate that Marx based his theories on
industrial conditions that either were already obsolete at the time or
had never existed in the first place. That is no wonder, for Marx never
saw the inside of a factory, farm or manufactory. [...] Whatever else he
was, Marx was not a scientist. [.] Marx ideals are unachievable
precisely because they are so monstrous that even Bolsheviks never quite
managed to realize them fully, and not for any lack of trying. For
example, the [Communist] Manifesto (along with other writings by both
Marx and Engels) prescribes the nationalization of all private property
without exception. Even Stalin's Russia of the 1930s fell short of that
ideal. In fact, a good chunk of the Soviet economy was then in private
hands [...] Really, compared with Marx, Stalin begins to look like a
humanitarian. Marx also insisted that family should be done away with,
with women becoming communal property. Again, for all their efforts,
Lenin and Stalin never quite managed to achieve this ideal either. So
where the Bolsheviks and Nazis perverted Marxism, they generally did so
in the direction of softening it."

The former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovksy, who has warned that the
European Union is on its way to becoming another Soviet Union, thinks
that while the West won the Cold War in a military sense, we lost it in
the context of ideas: "Communism might have been dead, but the
communists remained in power in most of the former Warsaw bloc
countries, while their Western collaborators came to power all over the
world (in Europe in particular). This is nothing short of a miracle: the
defeat of the Nazis in 1945 quite logically brought a shift to the Left
in world politics, while a defeat of communism in 1991 brought again a
shift to the Left, this time quite illogically."

Bukovksy is right: We never had a thorough de-Marxification process
after the Cold War, similar to the de-Nazification after WW2, and we are
now paying the price for this. Many Marxist ideas have been allowed to
endure and mutate, such as the notion that culture is unimportant or
that it is OK to stage massive social experiments on hundreds of
millions of people. The Marxist historian Eric Hobsbawm has stated that
had the Soviet Union managed to create a functioning Socialist society,
tens of millions of deaths would have been a worthwhile price to pay.
But Marxist ideals of forced equality can only be enforced by a
government with totalitarian powers, and will thus inevitably lead to a
totalitarian society. There is no "enlightened Marxism," and the idea
that there is has ruined more lives than probably and other ideology in
modern history.

Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.

The Australian writer Keith Windschuttle warns that the consequence of
cultural relativism is that if there can be no absolute truths, there
can be no absolute falsehoods, either, which explains Western weakness
when confronted with Islamic Jihad. Our sense of right and wrong has
been deeply damaged by Marxist thinking. Windschuttle praises Greek
historian Thucydides' writings about The History of the Peloponnesian
War from the 5th century BC:

"Rather than being impelled by great impersonal forces, political
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Post by choro-nik
Being Jewish is a question of faith. Nothing more, nothing less.
Depends on how you look at it.
Jews, of course, consider it a spiritual state.
The bgot knows this is a lie. The hubby (TM) gets his car serviced
on the jew sabbath. What's "spiritual" about that?
Susan
<crap fluyshed>
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 11:07:19 UTC
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Being Jewish is a question of faith. Nothing more, nothing less.
Depends on how you look at it.
There's only one way to look at it, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt.

Jews need to have yid DNA. Followers of judaism don't necessarily need yid
DNA.
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 11:06:28 UTC
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Being Jewish is a question of faith.
No it's not. Being jewish means having yid DNA. Following judaism is a
question of faith.
gogu
2007-05-16 21:15:57 UTC
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The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-17 02:56:14 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!
We weren't discussing that.
And if we do, I won't know nearly as much as
I should to hold up my end of the covnersation.

Susan
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 11:08:14 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!
We weren't discussing that.
And if we do, I won't know nearly as much as
I should to hold up my end of the covnersation.
"Covnersation?" What means that, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt?
gogu
2007-05-17 20:29:58 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!
We weren't discussing that.
No but you brought it up to make a point (why Judaism accepts converts etc
etc etc) and I wanted to say that this is nothing special, almost all
religions are doing that...
Post by f***@verizon.net
And if we do, I won't know nearly as much as
I should to hold up my end of the covnersation.
Then let me tell you that Christianity accepts converts and every day
thousands of people are converting (quite easily I'd say and in this regard
I am for the more stricter Jewish rules about converts...).
Here in Greece we had this phenomenon much more pronounced after 1989 (=fall
of communism in Europe and "open" frontiers...): many Albanian immigrants,
some of genuine desire others thinking they will be more easily accepted by
the local society have been converted in Orthodoxy by hundreds.
As I said above, Christianity is accepting converts very easily IMHO and I
don't know if that's good or not...

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
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Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 00:58:57 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!
We weren't discussing that.
No but you brought it up to make a point (why Judaism accepts converts etc
etc etc)
No, I brought it up to make *your* point - see my next comment.
Post by gogu
and I wanted to say that this is nothing special
I didn't say it was.
I was referring specifically to your comment about how
someone not born Jewish can be a good Jew.
Post by gogu
almost all
religions are doing that...
"
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Post by f***@verizon.net
And if we do, I won't know nearly as much as
I should to hold up my end of the covnersation.
Then let me tell you that Christianity accepts converts and every day
thousands of people are converting (quite easily I'd say and in this
regard I am for the more stricter Jewish rules about converts...).
Here in Greece we had this phenomenon much more pronounced after 1989
(=fall of communism in Europe and "open" frontiers...): many Albanian
immigrants,
some of genuine desire others thinking they will be more easily accepted
by the local society have been converted in Orthodoxy by hundreds.
As I said above, Christianity is accepting converts very easily IMHO and I
don't know if that's good or not...
If you say so!
Thanks for the info - I hadn't heard of this.

Susan
Binjamin Cram'er
2007-05-18 06:56:07 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
?
Why, Christianity is not accepting conversions?!
We weren't discussing that.
No but you brought it up to make a point (why Judaism accepts converts etc
etc etc)
No, I brought it up to make *your* point - see my next comment.
Post by gogu
and I wanted to say that this is nothing special
I didn't say it was.
I was referring specifically to your comment about how
someone not born Jewish can be a good Jew.
No they can't. Some of 'em (if they convert) can become good followers of
the religion of judaism, but good jews? Never. Can't happen.
gogu
2007-05-18 15:05:24 UTC
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and I wanted to say that this is nothing special
I didn't say it was.
Yes, but you implied it.
If I misunderstood your comment I stand corrected.
Post by f***@verizon.net
I was referring specifically to your comment about how
someone not born Jewish can be a good Jew.
???
Can you please show me where *I* said something like that?!!!!
That was someone's else comment, not mine!
Every convert can be better that someone born in any religion, that's human,
has nothing to do with religions!
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Post by gogu
Then let me tell you that Christianity accepts converts and every day
thousands of people are converting (quite easily I'd say and in this
regard I am for the more stricter Jewish rules about converts...).
Here in Greece we had this phenomenon much more pronounced after 1989
(=fall of communism in Europe and "open" frontiers...): many Albanian
immigrants,
some of genuine desire others thinking they will be more easily accepted
by the local society have been converted in Orthodoxy by hundreds.
As I said above, Christianity is accepting converts very easily IMHO and I
don't know if that's good or not...
If you say so!
Thanks for the info - I hadn't heard of this.
Yes, it is happening all the time.
It is also happening in US, it is called "assimilation";-)
Why you think that Latin American immigrants when they first come they are
dressed, behave etc like in their old country but after 1-2 years they
look/behave totally different, they take American habits, etc?... Cultural
assimilation includes in some cases conversion to another religion
(religious assimilation).
In Romania for instance in the years of communism (and Carter's presidency
in
the US IIRC) many Romanians were converting to a specific Protestant (can't
recall
exactly, Methodist or something like that...) sect and after that their US
"brothers" were claiming them from the dictator Ceausescu. For the shake of
good relations with the US (and of course a bunch of dollars...), Ceausescu
was granting emigration permits and
those Romanians could come to the US and to the paradise on earth:-) As you
can see, conversion can have many motives/aspects, other than genuine love
for a given faith/religion...

G.O.L
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 18:44:46 UTC
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and I wanted to say that this is nothing special
I didn't say it was.
Yes, but you implied it.
Or, rather, you inferred it.
Post by gogu
If I misunderstood your comment I stand corrected.
No problem whatsoever!
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I was referring specifically to your comment about how
someone not born Jewish can be a good Jew.
???
Can you please show me where *I* said something like that?!!!!
That was someone's else comment, not mine!
Now it is my turn to beg your pardon.
It could have been choro-nik, but my eyes may have skipped
over the attribution to yours.
Post by gogu
Every convert can be better that someone born in any religion, that's
human, has nothing to do with religions!
Of course.
But when someone suggests that Judaism isn't or shouldn't be
maternal because "someone born to a non-Jewish mother could
make a better Jew (WTTE)," I feel compelled to point out that
of course this could be true, and Judaism recognizes it as well by
accepting converts.

Susan
gogu
2007-05-21 18:23:42 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
I was referring specifically to your comment about how
someone not born Jewish can be a good Jew.
???
Can you please show me where *I* said something like that?!!!!
That was someone's else comment, not mine!
Now it is my turn to beg your pardon.
It could have been choro-nik, but my eyes may have skipped
over the attribution to yours.
Yep, it was choro-nik, not me:-)
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Post by gogu
Every convert can be better that someone born in any religion, that's
human, has nothing to do with religions!
Of course.
But when someone suggests that Judaism isn't or shouldn't be
maternal because "someone born to a non-Jewish mother could
make a better Jew (WTTE)," I feel compelled to point out that
of course this could be true, and Judaism recognizes it as well by
accepting converts.
Well, I think you are over-reacting here...
I *think* (so I am not sure...) his comment was not malicious, even if I
don't like him;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
choro-nik
2007-05-16 23:56:52 UTC
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Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person
one thinks of as his uncle.
There is that, but the reason is because women are more spiritually
connected to G-d.
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a
bit of salt...
Why?
Jewish law is quite explicit.
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
--
choro-nik
========
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Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own
children with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
I haven't heard of any situationl ike this, but, in the realm of human
behavior, I'm sure it's possible. But Judaism isn't dependent on behavior.
Post by choro-nik
The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws.
Did you mean to put the word "contrary" in there?
Because if you did, it doesn't make sense.
Post by choro-nik
No wonder they say that the law is an ass.
Non-believers say a lot of things.
Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-17 02:56:44 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.

Susan
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 11:09:18 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
No it doesn't.

You get ripped off believing you're a real yid, until the day you meet a
real yid, and they wipe you like a dirty arse for being nothing but a
gullible konvert, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt.
gogu
2007-05-17 20:31:41 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 01:00:04 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
Actually, it's impossible for anyone who isn't a non-Jew to convert to
Judaism :-)
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure if you mean the same thing he did.

Susan
NefeshBarYochai
2007-05-18 01:13:41 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
Actually, it's impossible for anyone who isn't a non-Jew to convert to
Judaism :-)
Post by gogu
Post by f***@verizon.net
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure if you mean the same thing he did.
Susan
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He means your a red headed Irish Catholic that thinks she's a Jew.
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-20 05:18:41 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
Actually, it's impossible for anyone who isn't a non-Jew to convert to
Judaism :-)
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Post by f***@verizon.net
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure if you mean the same thing he did.
Susan
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He means your a red headed Irish Catholic that thinks she's a Jew.
You've already been exposed as a goy wannabe jew on the moderated jew
newsgroup, Warren, Just take your meds and go to sleep. You're
obviously not well.

Susan
gogu
2007-05-18 15:08:39 UTC
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You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure if you mean the same thing he did.
Oh, please don't mix me with them:-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-18 18:45:17 UTC
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You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
Come on Suzan, it happens but you know it's quite difficult!
And as I said in another message, I find it quite right, unlike in
Catholicism/Orthodoxy/etc.
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure if you mean the same thing he did.
Oh, please don't mix me with them:-)
Well, like I said, there was a difference :-)

Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-05-20 05:18:35 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Hardly! It makes it bloody difficult for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism.
You are quite mistaken; it happens all the time.
NOT Susan
It *is* actively discouraged because rabbis know how difficult it is
to change race & become a jew.

Susan
The Revd
2007-05-17 05:15:30 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person
one thinks of as his uncle.
There is that, but the reason is because women are more spiritually
connected to G-d.
That sounds very much like a "sexist" comment, you th*ck Irish cunt!
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a
bit of salt...
Why?
Jewish law is quite explicit.
It's also quite irrelevant.
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Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi (sic) is why Judaism accepts conversions.
But only to the jew religion. 'Converts' don't belong to the jew
race.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own
children with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
I haven't heard of any situationl (sic) ike (sic) this, but, in the realm of
human behavior (sic) , I'm sure it's possible. But Judaism (sic) isn't >dependent on behavior.
It's a religion practised by a minority of the jew race, you th*ck
Irish cunt.
It's not dependent on anything.
Benjamin Cramer
2007-05-17 11:05:49 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Dare I say that Judaic laws make more sense to me. It is the maternal
lineage that matters more than the paternal lineage. After all who can be
certain of his paternal lineage? Oh, I know all about DNA testing and all
that bullshit but someone's biological father may in fact be the person
one thinks of as his uncle.
There is that, but the reason is because women are more spiritually
connected to G-d.
Post by choro-nik
However, the fact remains that no system is perfect and no system is
foolproof. So let us take things as to who is a Jew and who isn't with a
bit of salt...
Why?
Jewish law is quite explicit.
Post by choro-nik
The children of a non-Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother could be
better Jews than children of the same father with a Jewish mother.
Thsi[sic] is why Judaism accepts conversions.
Not all yids accept konverts, kunt. Be honest.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by choro-nik
It is not
unknown for a non-Jewish man to marry and have children by a non-Jewish
mother to later marry a Jewish woman who brings up the children of the
father by his first marriage in the Jewish tradition while her own
children with the same man may utterly reject Judaism.
I haven't heard of any situationl[sic] ike[sic] this, but, in the realm of
human
behavior, I'm sure it's possible. But Judaism isn't dependent on behavior.
Post by choro-nik
The whole matter of who is a Jew and who isn't is a matter of belief
contrary to the law or laws.
Did you mean to put the word "contrary" in there?
Because if you did, it doesn't make sense.
Fuck all of what you post makes sense, you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt.
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2007-05-07 12:55:26 UTC
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